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Post by Sabertooth on Oct 2, 2019 16:49:49 GMT -5
Hey guys.
What would you be wanting to see in a GS turbo kit? I'm looking to do a basic kit, and also one for a built block setup. I have someone who'll make manifolds, I have a seller to do the parts, and I know Michael has expressed interest in off the shelf boosted tunes for a kit, but haven't heard from him yet about official support
What would you want to be included? I was thinking of all but intake piping, intercooler, and oil pan. Lines would be standard oil rated rubber line because that's all anyone will ever actually need, standard vacuum line in sizes required, and standard coolant line.
It's going to be quite a bit of work getting all the part numbers together for this and pricing them all out, but hopefully this leads to the biggest advance in the 4g World to date. I'm looking to keep the basic kit costs down as much as I can without adding any risk of failure. I want it to be something you can daily, and track on the weekends without concern
Parts required for the full setup:
Intake piping
Charge piping
MAF housing
Intercooler
Blow off valve
Manifold
Turbo
Wastegate
Downpipe
Boost gauge
Boost Controller
Oil Supply (Oil filter sandwich plate for $15, or evo oil filter housing for $200+, I'll probably just supply a plate)
Oil lines
Vacuum lines
Coolant lines
NPT fittings
Hose barbs
Fuel injectors
Wideband O2 Sensor and gauge
Tune
I may be forgetting some stuff (writing it out nefore work), but I'll update the list as needed
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Post by Sabertooth on Oct 6, 2019 22:01:19 GMT -5
There is progress, I've been making a chart of all the parts, trying to find costs and best suppliers to keep the prices down I still need to know what people want to see in the kits though. Tuning won't be an issue for stock ECU as Michael is willing to support a pre-fab kit. Standalone options will be available for racecar setups, it'll be Megaquirt or Haltech. Megasquirt testing is currently ongoing, Haltech will start later if there is interest I'll likely do 3 tiers of turbo, with the option of supplying your own, but tuning and other kit parts couldn't possibly support that. I'm looking for a cheaper option than the PT5558 journal bearing turbo, but honestly it's not bad. A Borg will probably find its way into the mix as the lower power choice. Just a simple oil cooled journal turbo.  Any expression of interest is greatly appreciated |
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Post by namelessfoe on Oct 17, 2019 17:50:10 GMT -5
Great idea, especially for people like me that aren't that knowledgeable about turbo setups. It would be cheaper if you could get the hot and cold side piping with a certain intercooler as part of a package. Fab shops by me are extremely expensive, and seems to be the same in a lot of places now. But setting it up in tier packages going from few parts to whole assembly would entice more people to get involved.
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Post by Sabertooth on Oct 17, 2019 19:32:57 GMT -5
The issue lies in that I don't really want to buy an eBay kit and then sell it to you guys, charging you the shipping twice essentially.
Where as if you source out your own $100 eBay universal kit, plus a $150 intercooler, it'll be a hell of a lot cheaper.
Alternative is I can sell piping kits made to handle 60psi all day long, but then charge $1000 for it as it would have to be chunks of bent and tig welded thick wall aluminum and v band clamps. Definitely overkill, the eBay kits are fine for 26psi alllll day long. Probably more, just haven't tested higher (expect on >30psi spikes, someone else's car when it had wastegate issues)
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Post by namelessfoe on Oct 17, 2019 20:16:06 GMT -5
Ebay kits are cheap for a reason. Essentially everyone is able to do that now with the exception of the header. All i'm saying is it would be more of an incentive for people in the community to purchase something that made for our cars, especially since model based kits are non existent.
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Post by Sabertooth on Oct 18, 2019 11:39:57 GMT -5
Yeah, but a model based intake setup will just add costs that I can't see anyone wanting, and limit the ability to use the kit on other 4G69 things, like the Outlander and Lancer guys who are also interested
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Post by namelessfoe on Oct 20, 2019 21:58:26 GMT -5
This is true.
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Post by Mevo on Nov 11, 2019 6:04:33 GMT -5
I’m going to come out and say it, the easier you make it for me to get a COMPLETE Turbo Kit the more likely I am to buy it from you... even if it means up charging for shipping costs. After all, that’s the whole concept around Auto City Imports... they buy from smaller companies that otherwise wouldn’t rake in a lot of business and make it more easily accessible to the general population, while up charging the products as a kind of “finders fee”.
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Post by namelessfoe on Nov 17, 2019 16:48:38 GMT -5
Theoretically speaking, average T3 turbo with external BOV, the cars stock internals could only hold maybe 10psi before bending a rod?
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Post by cmturner on Nov 17, 2019 17:55:07 GMT -5
Theoretically speaking, average T3 turbo with external BOV, the cars stock internals could only hold maybe 10psi before bending a rod? I'd have to disagree with that, several people are running 12+ PSI daily on the 4G69 engine One guy has been running 14 PSI Daily for years, but he is now rebuilding his engine so he can go more. I've been running with boost cut set at 11.5 for over a year now, no issues |
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Post by namelessfoe on Nov 17, 2019 19:05:10 GMT -5
I'm trying to get all supporting mods done before actually tossing a turbo at it, and I don't know squat about turbos. lol. I remember reading up on some of the members of Club4G, and a lot of people said they couldn't go very far with the stock rods. Thats why I'm hoping for James to make a "turbo for dummies" kit. Cause that would be me.
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Post by Sabertooth on Nov 17, 2019 19:59:10 GMT -5
Our stock rods are beefier than the ones in a VW 1.8L motor that guys throw 22psi at. Not to say that I think 22psi is SAFE on them, but I bet it wouldn't bend them unless you had knock, depending on how boost comes on.
I bent rods in my 1.8T at 22psi with a fast spooling turbo. My friend with torque delay tuned in has run 26psi on his for years, and tracked it. Tuning is key to making an engine survive, and I want to make sure that I've got a ready to go flash for this. It's kinda looking like a ~400hp setup is the best way to go. Then I can get it as close to bolt on as possible, as well as complete.
Having a stock GS to work from would really help, so I need to convince a friend to buy one for me to test on, hahaha
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Post by namelessfoe on Nov 18, 2019 21:25:21 GMT -5
My wife would kill me if I bought another car. lol. I'm currently shopping around for a fuel cell return style system. Once I get that with beefier injectors i'm going to start collecting turbo parts. I know mr. bishi makes their top mount manifolds, but i'm looking for a bottom mount. So much room for exercise under the manifold. Question I have is what type of inline fuel pump would be best looking like the Duetchworks 250 would work great.
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Post by Sabertooth on Nov 18, 2019 22:09:00 GMT -5
You may as well just go in tank. But depending on power goals, may not need it. Eg, I haven't put in my twin 525s yet. I'm stock fuel pump, and maxed out the MAF before I maxed out the fuel pump. MAF is maxed ~340whp. Then I upped the boost another 5psi past that
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Post by namelessfoe on Nov 18, 2019 23:37:43 GMT -5
Going for the cell due to rust building up on existing fuel tank. Also for weight loss and more weight behind rear wheels. Only going for 10 gallon cell, which will be in cradle built below rear deck height. Looking at the deuchwerks 250i, not sure what size injectors, evo 8 fuel rail with inline reg. Just don't know if I should run -8 or -10 inlet or -8 or -6 return for a goal of 300-350hp. The interwebs are more confusing than helpful sometimes. Did you say you have a egr delete plate? and I should be able to boost reference reg with tap fitting into block off plate for where manifold baffle used to be correct?
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